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Here in Michigan, I always have to extend the demarcs and T1. Thats fine by me, keeps me busy.

Here in Quebec, Bell will only take it to the suite if it's within 25 ft, unless of course the client is willing to pay.

Dave

Here the carriers never extend the demarc to the customer suite. More often then not they don't tag new service either so I'll have to call the carrier for the binding posts if I can't locate them readily or they weren't provided on the ticket they give the customer.

Mike, check me on this, but I am told by my super that Embarq's own rules say that they WILL extend dial tone/demarc to customer premise, suite or whatever. The installer usually isn't too thrilled, but if you catch them before they leave or tell customer/GC to push it, the installer will do it for free. HOWEVER, if you don't get it done upon initial install of new dial tone, then it's a chargeable call, and do they charge. John C.

You get sick of these colors while sitting in a hole covered in mud and icky pic at 3am because the water dept. cut your 600pr cable while repairing their main that broke

When I started at the phone company and the guy trianing me (He had 25yrs at the time) told me:

Why(white)
Run(red)
Backwards(black)
You(yellow)
Varmint(violet)

Because(blue)
Of(orange)
Great(green)
Big(brown)
Snake(slate)

That's how I remembered the color code until I just got used to it.

I still have a bunch of D-Gel!

My Ameritech branded coveralls have been covered in it completely. I used to wash them by themselves with D-gel and some tide to get it off.

I worked at the phone company right around 10yrs and never got a good answer why it was called "Icky Pic"
Everyone told me because it was icky stuff. It wound up in every type of cable at some point and is now even in some of the aerial cabling used by AT&T.
Thanks for the info on that.

Even worse than Icky Pic is the silicone grease in the buried drop splices we used called "Klik Its" it's brutal sticky and I was covered in it yesterday.

It is PIC (Polyethelene Insulated Conductors) and since it was filled with goo, it was nicknamed "Icky-PIC". Nothing formal about it. PIC was the first plastic insulation used in cables after pulp and remains today's insulation standard.

Icky-PIC should not be installed in the air or in ducts. It's meant for direct burial. Heat from sunlight causes the goo to expand and ooze out of the splices. It also drips out of the splice closures and onto cars or property below. If you have seen it in the air, it shouldn't be there.

True, the goo in the "Klik-Its" is much worse, since it's much more dense, like axle grease. There's definitely no silicone grease in phone cables or splices; it would eat up the plastic insulation of the pairs over time.

Better late than never.
In Florida as some of our colleaques stated the local telcos are required to provide a dmarc at the minimal point of penetration into the suite.
I post the Florida Adminstrative Code that states it:
Rule 25-4.0345, Customer Premises Equipment and Inside Wire, F.A.C., requires a local exchange company to provide and maintain the network facilities up to and including the demarcation point at each individual customer’s premises. Specifically, Rule 25-4.0345(1)(b), F.A.C., states:


(b) "Demarcation Point." The point of physical interconnection (connecting block, terminal strip, jack, protector, optical network interface, or remote isolation device) between the telephone network and the customer's premises wiring. Unless otherwise ordered by the Commission for good cause shown, the location of this point is:


1. Single Line/Single Customer Building -- Either at the point of physical entry to the building or a junction point as close as practicable to the point of entry.

2. Single Line/Multi Customer Building -- Within the customer's premises at a point easily accessed by the customer.

3. Multi Line Systems/Single or Multi Customer Building -- At a point within the same room and within 25 feet of the FCC registered terminal equipment or cross connect field.

4. Temporary Accommodations Subscriber Premises with Inadequate Grounding (e.g., some mobile homes, trailers, houseboats, construction modules) -- On a permanent stake, pole, or structure with a suitable safety ground.


As emphasized above, Rule 25-4.0345(1)(b), F.A.C., allows an exception to the required demarcation point as ordered by the Commission for good cause shown.