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Greetings all;
Anyone can help me please, I need to know how to programm NITSUKO 1236. I do not have any manual or any documentation for that old devive. Any reply is appriciated.
Thank you.
Musa

if you are talking about the black and white Ultracom or brown/beige TC systems, the first thing you need is a dss console.

All programming is done with the console. There is a black switch under the faceplate, that takes the system into programm mode.

1. Find out what you have.
a. What kind of cabinet--what is the number on the cabinet?--5 digit number.
b. What kind of phones do you have?? The model number should be on the underside of the phone. e.g.--15002 or 60012.
c. Find out where the first station port is (attendant phone generally)--that is the phone that you program with.
d. If its one of the very old Ties, then you'll have to listen to what Groundstart said---have to get a DSS console.
e. Get a manual--on CD is cheaper normally---let customer know how much it's going to cost just to get the manual. This may be the only time that you'll use it.

Good luck.

For Documentation see:

www.quick-manuals.com

a note about quick manuals listed in hall of shame
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I have had good results with Quick Manuals.

I would say that you shouldn't have any problems with Quick Manuals, being that it's your site!

>>I have had good results with Quick Manuals.
What dtmf said.

Come on Perry who you trying to fool?

Why don't you defend yourself in that thread...that's what it's for. A place for customer relations.

Finally.......somebody more whacky then me...

Greetings all,
Thank you all for your reply, I think I have an old machine, the tag # on that machine reads like this;
Groupon V4 series
NX.E1236M.v4
Main Equipment
Series-1
and there are the following cards on it;
1- NX-COU-A 1
2- NX-STU-A 2
3- NX-STU-D 2
4- NX-STU-G 1
5- NX-TSU-A 1
6- NX-CPU-A 1
also 1 have just one set telephone with screen connected to port 10 ( Extension 10). That is all.
Thanks all.
Musa

You have a 1983 model EK1236 it sounds like. This is a six-wire model---it takes six wires to make a station work (compared to two wires in the new digital systems) In 1983 this was a miracle, because the systems before this one took 50 wires to make THEM work. Don't get too happy though. This system is still 20 years old. That's like forever.
ECPU-A----The first revision of the CPU
ECOU-A----A Line card
ESTU-A,D,G----Station cards(4 stations I think)
TSU-A-----A tone sender card(DTMF)
There were 3 sizes to this particular model---the ek820, the ek1236 and the dreaded ek2260. About 7 years ago, I left a 50 station 2260 on a dock for the junkman to take. This system is not even a fun system to try to have fun with, --just look at it wrong and it will blow a fuse. This is from the time when servicemen rode around with boxes of fuses in their vans; but if you really want to work on it---get a manual and have at it. i personally never want to see one again. Good Luck.

Hey JW...your bringing back painful memory's about this system...

What a way to start off a Friday Morning...

I would like to advise the tech who has this system as to not get to comfortable with it, because its old and outdated and not to many companies are gonna stock refurbed stuff for it....

An interesting topic...How old would you consider a telephone system before we classify it as a dinosaur? Would you say a system 7-10 years old is not worth spending money on it to service?

Mitch Taylor

PS...If there is anybody out there who works with POS equipment please let me know what brands and if you know of any websites that provide information on them.

Hello,
You were right it's an old machine, but it takes 4 wires to for each station to work, All the stations working fine, (I tested them one by one) and also the CO lines, but they are on pulse mode, I can't get them to work on Tone mode, any clue how to do that?. Also the SLT telephones are working OK, but they don't communicate with each other, I could hear the tone, but I can't dial from them. Can anyone please tell how to get to program mode on that machine?
Thanks a lot.
Musa

You need to have a DSS hooked up to the system.
Set the SW1 switch on the ECMU or ECPU (depending on what cpu your system has) to the ON position.
Lift the DSS station handset.
Depress the DATA ENTRY button on the DSS.
Your ready to program.

The lines are set to Pulse mode in programming, you need to use program DSS KEY 33 to set them to DTMF

Added: If this is indeed a EK1236 then it should be a 3 pair system not two, the reason they are not working right is that you don't have all 3 pairs hooked up.




[This message has been edited by dtmf (edited October 31, 2003).]

Mitch,
As far as your question goes.
I have customers that like to keep up with the newest releases as they come out, and I have people that like to run them until the wheels fall off. So I guess it all depends on the customer.

Musa, The third pair allows the station user to be called hands-free on the intercom. Everything else should work without the third pair being connected.

[This message has been edited by chuck (edited March 11, 2004).]

Greetings all,
Hello dtmf, thank you for your input, maybe I need DSS like you said, cause I set the switch to on, and it did nothing.
Maybe the machine I have is not EK1236, because it is 2 pairs not three, all the extensions worked that way, if it was 3 pairs it will never work, right!
It is definitely 1236 machine, but it is NX series, even the telephone set are 4 wires.
Thanks.
Musa

Yes you can make them work with only 4 wires but you won't have it working correctly.

They did make a Biscom 1236 that was 2pair. At this point I have no idea what you have.

Hi Chuck,
Sorry I misunderstood; I have all the 20 extensions connected as follows;
EXT 10 Blue (1) + White (26)
Orange (2) + white (27)
EXT 11 Green (3) + White (28)
Brown (4) + White (29)
And so on. Do you think I need to reconnect them again in different way?
If the answer is yes, please tell me how if you know.
Thank you in advance.
Musa

Ok lets start from the beginning, what can you do with the phones now. Do the line buttons work when you press them and can you dial out ( I realize they are dialing in pulse mode but they should still dial out ), can you intercom other phones?
I'm starting to think have a Biscom 1236 which is a 2 pair system.

Also give us a part number off the bottom of the phone.




[This message has been edited by dtmf (edited October 31, 2003).]

Well, now I must say I'm really confused. Is this system NOT up and running? I thought you said that you just wanted to program the system. I'm not even sure what kind of a system you have---and if you have all of the cards necessary for it to work. I remember there being a memory card of some kind that was needed---but that is for the ek1236 not a nx1236. I don't know what a nx series is---are you saying that it is an "ONYX"?? Do you just have one phone?? or do you have 20 phones?? Can you tell us the Model number of the phone? That will help us figure out what phone system and KSU you will have to have in order for that phone to work. When was the last time the system was up and running with that phone? Let's just try to find out what your phone is...maybe that will be our square one.

Yes sir, I can dial normally from the telephone set and I can get the CO by depressing the CO button, I have no problem with the intercom calls as well, I can do anything I want. In fact the system was working fine before I reseted the switch on the CPU card, looks like I lost all the Data when it set to default.
The problem with the outside line are set to pulse, so when I need to dial a number I hear all the clicks.
The tag # on the telephone set is;
Grouphon V4 Series
NX.E8ts.V4
Key Telephone Set

Hold on here,
I see that you are not in the USA, Nitsuko made allot of phone systems that we in the states have never even seen. Some of the i-series were in Europe before it was brought over here and the software was re-written to work in the states. Can you by chance take a digital picture of the system and post it.
As JW said these numbers you are giving us are completely foreign to us.

Hello again,
Here is a full details of what I have;

Grouphon V4 Series
NX.E1236M.V4
Main Equipment
Series-1
The PABX size is 21X16 inchs.
Motherboard # (NX-12MDU-A)

Slots Board #(NX-12MB-A)
16 Slots labeled as follows:
1-COU1 for 4 outside line, has card NX-COU-A
2-COU2 for 4 outside line
3-COU3 for 4 outside line
4-STU1 for 4 Extensions, has card NX-STU-A
5-STU2 for 4 Extensions, has card NX-STU-A
6-STU3 for 4 Extensions, has card NX-STU-D
7-STU4 for 4 Extensions, has card NX-STU-D
8-STU5 for 4 Extensions, has card NX-STU-G
9-STU6 for 4 Extensions
10-STU7 for 4 Extensions
11-STU8 for 4 Extensions
12-STU9 for 4 Extensions
13-DDU
14-TSU has card NX-TSU-A
15-CPU has card NX-CPU-A
16-ATU

Power supply
NX-E81P.V4 power Supply 127V
Series-2

Telephone sets labeled;
Grouphon V4 Series
NX.E8TS.V4
Key Telephone Set.

Since this system may be only marketed outside of the USA---I'm only guessing here--but here goes:

The DDU card is for a DSS
The STU-D card may be for the SLTs
The ATU card-???? don't have a clue

On the EK1236-- program 33 will fix your 'Pulse" signalling problems as DTMF said.
I may be getting out of ideas, because I have no idea where you can get a manual for a system that was marketed outside of the USA. If you purchase a EK1236 manual and a DSS here, it may not work with your system and the programs may be completely wrong.----but you know what---this is the most activity that the Nitsuko-Tie section has ever seen!!!! Good Luck.

Greetings all:
Finally I made it, I was able to get into the program mode, I had to switch the button on the CPU card to ON position and press the button on the speed dial keypad, but what I am getting is 00, and then I need to put the program #, it is difficult for me to do so if I don’t have a guide, because I don’t know which is which. Could anyone please provide me with a list of all programs and their numbers?
Thank you in advance.
Musa

You really need to purchase a manual. There are over 40-50 programs plus details of the options to each program--plus information about the hardware, tests etc. If you are going to be using this system, and maintaining it, you need a manual. I guess you might start out with a EK1236--but again, I don't know for sure what you have, so I don't know if the procedures and programs from the EK1236 will apply.

HI JWRacedog,
Thank you for you early reply, I just need some guidelines before i purchese the manual, I need to cpmpare some of the staff, can you just give me some numbers from top of your head, (if you still remember any).
Thank you.
Musa

Sure---33 is line DTMF or Pulse (0.0 or 0.1)--then there are 4 line groups for ringing (programs 20 to 23) then ring groups for stations (programs 24 to 27). There are all sorts of "definitions" for example--"Day/Night Ringing assignment is a programmable feature allowing stations to be assigned to a Line Group as well as a Night Signalling Group" This is why just giving you a bunch of programs won't exactly work. You have to know what is needed to program a certain feature---there may be several things you have to do in sequence...you've got to have an overall understanding of the programs and how they fit into what you want to do. If I were working on a EK1236 right now---I would not do it without having a full manual in front of me. On a EK1236 there is a card called a ECMU which has something to do with the DSS and programming.
Two switches (SW1 & SW2 are located on that board). But you don't seem to have that board. I quote from the book--"The system must be initialized prior to programming opion codes. Initialization loads the factory installed program into the system memory. To initialize the system:--Turn off power supply---Set SW1 switch on the ECMU PCB to the OFF position (see figure 5-1) --Turn On power supply. The factory installed program has now been loaded to the system memory. --After approximately 10 seconds, set SW1 switch on the ECMU PCB to the ON position to protect memory from momentary loss of commercial power." I could go on & on. Get a manual. Click on the manual link on this site. Good Luck.

hey jw.........stop please your bringing back harse emeories of the 1980's......

cold tie chills are running up my back....

btw that was harsh memories....bad spelling...

you see its happening..

You also have to understand that you must understand binary in order to program this system. You have to enter combination of o's and 1's.....

Thank you all for your assistance, I know now that I have a big problem with that old machine, I thought it easy like new Panasonic. But anyway, it looks different than EK1236, I tried program 33, it didn't work.
Thanks anyway for your time and tolerance.
I will look for the right manual if I could find anywhere.
Thank you.
Musa

Ouch!!!! My back still hurts from the last 2260 cabinet I hung by myself, not to even talk about the P/S!!!!!!!!
This was a long time ago, in a Galaxy far, far away.

1. try to connect a display phone to port 10 (default is EXT 10)
2. remove the label and plastic cover on left hands side of the phone set
3. use pencil to enable the switch
4. the display phone will show 00 and start program
5. to exit program press # and repeat step 3 (disable the switch.)
6. hope it will help you


2.

Please. Someone of you can help me? I need the Operation Manual of Nitsuko NX E1236M.V4 Grouphon V4 Series.

Haven't we been here before? Couldn't help then, probably can't help now? John C. (Not Garand)

Is this a picture of it?, Seems like it is primarily a S.America and E. Asia product

https://translate.google.com/transl...rls%3DGGLR,GGLR:2005-48,GGLR:en%26sa%3DN

I think I have one