ed, good call, i did have a few coins in the escrow bin, got that freed up and also found an incoming wire issue and it now works perfectly, no coins required, don't know if that is correct, but i'll take it, my father who is about the smartest guy i've ever known has a saying about when you have a problem, you expect it to be the most difficult thing in the world to fix, but 98 % of the time is the simplest, once again he is correct, thanks for your help, couldn't have done it without you, cary
