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Went to do a survey today on client looking for a new telephone system. Old location was destroyed by the hurricane! All the wiring was done and terminated at the jack only. One cat5 plus jack and coax with F connectors! About 15 positions in all. All wiring came back to a closet and stubbed out of 2 4x4 boxes with about 8 inches of slack. Hard ceiling no attic and the walls had been closed up! An "electrician" had done the wiring. I asked them about the connections and was told the cat5 was for phone and the coax was for computer, "that's what the electrician said"!!! I showed them how their present network was set up and I swear, you could see the color drain from faces! The electrician has been called but something tells me he will not fix it!
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Wow. They can save some $ by not paying for the wiring and you can put in an IP system.
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Maybe putting a bunch of these in would be cheaper than ripping the walls apart.
What are you crazy!! Do that and you just make it look like sparkie was correct- "See, you can use RG-6 for computers that's why the electrician installed it. That's why he's an electrician, he knows what he's doing he's licensed. I guess you just don't know what he does."
No, rip the walls out and do it right. Serves the stupid owner right for not having a dropped ceiling too!
-Hal
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When will they ever understand... NEVER!
I don't get it, I have seen it so many times, I have used so many analogies, but still people think saving $ on a sparky doing all the wiring will be the best thing. You know what I need to do is have our company hire a sparky to pitch all our voice and data wiring installs... they MUST be great salesmen!
"We'll wire your house (office) to code, and we'll throw in the low voltage wires for free."
Then, when the job is finished, I get a call from the owner/GC "Can you come over for a couple of minutes to show the electrician how to terminate the wires?"
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I don't get it either. When are people going to get smart and understand that an electrician's trade is electric and telephone, cable, internet, sound and a bunch of other stuff isn't electric. Nobody can be a jack of all trades and sparkie sees a way to make a quick buck because he's already there. It's all about money, not about knowing what they are doing.
In that 14 page thread I started over on the sparkie forum awhile back they even admit it. They know that voice, data and cable can be quite lucrative and they are not about to give their customer over to someone else to do it.
-Hal
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"No, rip the walls out and do it right. Serves the stupid owner right for not having a dropped ceiling too!"
I just finished a camera job...dropped celings on all three floors....hard ceiling in the basment ???????????? the telco room was in the basment, and that is where the DVR "HAD" to go.
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quote:Originally posted by hbiss: ....No, rip the walls out and do it right. Serves the stupid owner right for not having a dropped ceiling too!
-Hal
I've talked to just about every trade person around here and we all agree that the building code should be changed to make a suspended ceiling mandatory in the basement, if it's being closed in.
Although it wouldn't help out on the 2nd or 3rd floors much, it would help in the vast majority of cases like this.
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No chance the cables are in conduit end-to-end I suppose? That would be cool! "I can fix sparkie's MESS and it'll only cost you $$$$.$$. AND I think I MIGHT be able to do it with little or no damage!" Hey, it's not against the law to dream! That's what my dad said when he was 70 and was ogling a HOT 22 year old! John C. (Not Garand)
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First, I've fired people for much neater work than that. That "installation", and I use that term loosely, is about as bad as it gets. I sure wouldn't be bragging about that one.
Second, why do CG's have such a hard time spelling the word "wiring"? Were they just that busy playing with their pocket pal to pay attention in 4th grade English class?
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I especially like his avatar of a telco lineman on hooks on a pole. Like that nerd would even climb a ladder! Man, these guys make my blood boil.
This has to be a joke. Even Stevie Wonder would know what a crappy job he did on this one.
I'm not sure why he highlighted the power strip dangling from the Romex. I also have to ask: "Dude, is it going to be tape, tyraps or Romex staples"? I especially like the broken swinger jack screwed to the wall with a drywall screw. I guess he lost the mounting base in his service truck. No problem, Radio Shack sells Scotchloks.
This is not doubt one of the worst "installations" that I've ever seen, Verizon included.
Typical CG. Lives in a $10,000.00 house, drives a $500.00 car, has a $5,000.00 laptop and $50,000.00 worth of stolen IT hardware from work in his basement. He's probably running a porn site.
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It looks like the patch panel on the wall terminates all the house wiring, and the bundle of blue cables plugged into it then jumps up and over the rafters, and drops down to plug in to his rack in the middle of the room.
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Jeff, are you a member over there? If so why don't you post and tell them what a disaster that is. I'd love to see those CGs trip over themselves trying to defend it.
-Hal
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Um well you see the rack looks SO MUCH cooler when it isn't by the backboard... Yes I am a member of that place...the world's biggest crybaby fest. You can't post anything negative or you get jumped on. Just take a look on the cable techs forum to see how they feel. The OP over there just 'defended' the job saying he did it himself...didn't hire anyone. Is that supposed to make it excusable? Arthur, I like your response!!
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Honest honey.............Nah, better not. John C. (Not Garand)
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Heh, the replies are getting pretty funny 'why waste the money on a pro installation if it's only in his house' I can think of a lot of responses to that one... It appears we are losing this one. Now they are attacking Arthur...Hal, do you want my password yet
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I couldn't resist. I posted too, but I didn't register and I did try to behave. I think that we've all been fair. They are just hearing what they don't want to hear and offering resistance. Thanks Arthur and Hal for breaking the seal.
Oh and Arthur, I'm sure that you are correct about the reference to Nazis. These kids stopped paying attention in school before they made it into the fourth grade. I live in an area surrounded by over five Civil War battlefields, yet my recently-graduated son hasn't a clue about them. He can sure hook up a video game to any TV though.
Pretty sad.
I hope you weren't truly offended by that child's comment, Arthur. Please understand that these are simply geeks who don't look past the tips of their noses with regard to the rest of the world. It is sad, and it is true, but I sure hope that it changes because it is boiling my blood as well.
I almost wish that Jeff hadn't shown us this! We already know that CG's are a pain and sparkies are just as bad. We need to learn to avoid them as much as we can. We want to show them the right way, but they immediately go on the defensive instead of accepting our advice.
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As a member of the local Episcopal church, (with an Anglicized German name that can be construed as Jewish) there are two N words that I find repulsive.
I hope my "real" Jewish friends weren't offended when I scolded that moron.
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When someone has no good response or reasoning you'll always hear that excuse, 'they're jealous'. What a a joke!
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No use injecting logic over there, they apparently are adolescents or adults who never grew up. I haven't seen "jealous" used in that way since I was 10.
The sad part of that is here you have an example of the current generation. This is obviously a group of young people who have no idea how something should be done and really don't care as long as it works. Is it any wonder why things we fought hard to achieve like quality and reliability have fallen by the wayside?
-Hal
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My thoughts exactly. What I'd be interested to know is where this guy actually works. How many times did he use the phrase "I done" for I did? I know that it's OK for an occasional typo to get by in the real world today, but this guy is pretty bad.
I do find it humorous how he's getting backed into a corner because of so many anonymous posters. Of course, the Cox Cable poster is probably someone who was banned from this forum. Maybe we should back off a little bit and let them resume discussion amongst themselves before we return for the full smack down.
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If you click on his profile he has a gallery of some pictures. Looks to be a lineman but not telephone or cable, pictures are taken from too high up for that. Probably power which explains a lot.
-Hal
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I've done Line work and I've got to say, that it bears no resemblance to Inside wiring whatsoever. The tools are different. The material is different. The required skills are different. And this applies to both Telephone & power.
Repeat after me:
"It's a different trade."
If you can do line work (either voice or power) then you can learn to do Inside work. And vice versa.
But it ain't happening over night.
Sam
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